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EP05 - Refactor_GVL, Emoji Driven Development and the History "Yak Shaving"

A conversation with Robert Roskam

Episode Summary

This week on the Carolina Code Cast, host Barry Jones chat with Robert Roskam, Engineering Manager at Pantheon. During the episode, Barry and Robert talk about Refactor Greenville (Refactor_GVL), Emoji Driven Development™, Yak shaving, HackGreenville Nights, Flutter, Dart, React Native, DNS hacks and…a lot. We talked about a lot. Just listen.

“There’s no such thing as best practices but there’s context to discovering what’s best for you.”
- Robert Roskam

Episode Notes

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Pantheon and WebOps (0:38)

  • How was the 1st HackGreenville Nights? (2:40)

  • Flutter, Dart, React Native and getting under the abstraction layer track (13:00)

  • Emoji driven development…in Swift…WHY? (21:14)

  • Refactor_GVL’s mission…and cool SVG web effects (24:10)

  • CRDT hacks in your DNS…because reasons (28:32)

  • Refactor_GVL, HackGreenville and meetup support systems (35:16)

  • Just ask ChatGPT? (49:16)

  • Advice with Contextualized Experience (57:20)

  • A History of the Origins of …“Yak Shaving” (59:29)

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Carolina Code Conference™
Carolina Code Cast™
The tech podcast of the Carolina Code Conference, a polyglot conference for all who code that's held every August in Greenville, SC. The podcast features interviews discussing a wide variety of topics from around the programming, DevOps and security community.